{"error":0,"parameter":{"forum_id":61,"topic_id":87697,"topic_4p_id":1996613,"topic_title":"SH Shattered Memories: Entt\u00e4uschende US-Verkaufszahlen","num_posts":94,"num_pages":19,"current_page":1,"posts_per_page":5,"order":"DESC","topic_url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/viewtopic.php?f=61\u0026t=87697","answer_url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/posting.php?mode=reply\u0026f=61\u0026t=87697"},"posts":[{"post_id":"2179549","post_time":"1265104377","post_edit_time":"0","post_visibility":"1","post_subject":"","post_text":"Achja Dark Void von Capcom f\u00fcr PS3\/Xbox360 hat deutlich schlechtere Verkaufszahlen, obwohl es deutlich massenkompatibler ist und die Wertungen \u00e4hnlich wie bei Shattered Memroies sehr unterschiedlich ausfielen. \u003Cbr \/\u003EZudem d\u00fcrften die Produktionskosten von Dark Void ein vielfaches derer von Shattered Memories betragen haben. Wie w\u00e4re es 4players? Dar\u00fcber auch mal eine Meldung? Ach ne, auf 4players wird ja nur die Wii gebashed. Ich verga\u00df \u003Cimg class=\u0022smilies\u0022 src=\u0022http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/images\/smilies\/icon_lol.gif\u0022 width=\u002215\u0022 height=\u002215\u0022 alt=\u0022:lol:\u0022 title=\u0022Laughing\u0022\u003E","bbcode_bitfield":"gA==","bbcode_uid":"6l8y7x7f","enable_bbcode":"1","enable_smilies":"1","enable_magic_url":"1","post_attachment":"0","username":"Z101","user_id":"1488106","user_avatar":"\/\/static.fore.4pcdn.de\/sourcen\/portal\/4players\/forum\/default-avatar_120x120.jpg","url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/viewtopic.php?f=61\u0026p=2179549#p2179549","quote_url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/posting.php?mode=quote\u0026f=61\u0026p=2179549"},{"post_id":"2176116","post_time":"1264950746","post_edit_time":"0","post_visibility":"1","post_subject":"","post_text":"\u003Cblockquote\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E\u003Ccite\u003EArmoran hat geschrieben:\u003C\/cite\u003E\u003Cblockquote\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E\u003Ccite\u003ElAmbdA hat geschrieben:\u003C\/cite\u003E\nAusschnitt eines Interview des ONM mit Mark Simmons (Game Director) und Sam Barlow (Lead Designer) von Climax (Entwickler von SH:SM):\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cblockquote class=\u0022uncited\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003EONM: Are Capcom and Sega within their rights to complain about the sales of mature games on Wii?\u003Cbr \/\u003ESam Barlow: Without badmouthing people, a lot of the games they\u0027ve been complaining about are rail shooters \u003Cstrong class=\u0022text-strong\u0022\u003Eand a rail shooter wouldn\u0027t have sold no matter what platform you put it on\u003C\/strong\u003E because it\u0027s a rail shooter and \u003Cstrong class=\u0022text-strong\u0022\u003Ethat\u0027s a niche genre\u003C\/strong\u003E that had its heyday back in the Dreamcast era.\u003Cbr \/\u003EUltimately the way we looked at it was that there\u0027s a huge audience who own Wiis, we own Wiis \u003Cstrong class=\u0022text-strong\u0022\u003Eand we know that amongst that audience there is a sub-sect\u003C\/strong\u003E who love dark stories, thrillers, mysteries and horror movies and so the development was all about removing the obstacles to those people enjoying this game. If they really enjoy a good horror story, they should enjoy this so we\u0027ve tried to create a product that has broad appeal but does something really good and unique.\n \u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/blockquote\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/blockquote\u003E\n\nSch\u00f6n, nachdem die meisten Wii Hater eine Gemeinde von dummen Schafen sind die logische Theorien von \u0022normalen\u0022 Leuten ignorieren und lieber auf ihre \u0022Anf\u00fchrer\u0022 h\u00f6ren, sollte das f\u00fcr etwas Ruhe sorgen \u003Cimg class=\u0022smilies\u0022 src=\u0022http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/images\/smilies\/icon_rolleyes.gif\u0022 width=\u002215\u0022 height=\u002215\u0022 alt=\u0022:roll:\u0022 title=\u0022Rolling Eyes\u0022\u003E \u003Cbr \/\u003EAber noch einmal, Railshooter sind eine nette Sache und machen Spa\u00df zu spielen, aber es ist ein Genre was man h\u00f6chstens alle paar Jahre mal wiederbeleben kann da es sich nunmal nicht weiterentwickeln wird... jegliche motzereien \u00fcber die Verkaufszahlen sind f\u00fcr diese Spiele also schlichtweg unsinn...\u003Cbr \/\u003EGenauso gef\u00e4llt mir in diesem Interview das er nicht die gesamte Userbase der Wii als Argument auspackt und selbst erkl\u00e4rt das auch Silent Hill f\u00fcr eine Untergruppe konzipiert wird... und auch nur f\u00fcr diese.\u003Cbr \/\u003EJemand der nicht die dummheit der Leute mit Marketinggew\u00e4sch ausnutzt sondern erkl\u00e4rt was Sache ist, ich bin richtig begeistert \u003Cimg class=\u0022smilies\u0022 src=\u0022http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/images\/smilies\/icon_lol.gif\u0022 width=\u002215\u0022 height=\u002215\u0022 alt=\u0022:lol:\u0022 title=\u0022Laughing\u0022\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/blockquote\u003E\n\nDas traurige ist, dass es obskuren Verkaufsmeldungen als \u0022News\u0022 auf 4players schaffen. Aber solche interessanten...","bbcode_bitfield":"wA==","bbcode_uid":"1ilz1xxe","enable_bbcode":"1","enable_smilies":"1","enable_magic_url":"1","post_attachment":"0","username":"Z101","user_id":"1488106","user_avatar":"\/\/static.fore.4pcdn.de\/sourcen\/portal\/4players\/forum\/default-avatar_120x120.jpg","url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/viewtopic.php?f=61\u0026p=2176116#p2176116","quote_url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/posting.php?mode=quote\u0026f=61\u0026p=2176116"},{"post_id":"2166037","post_time":"1264588317","post_edit_time":"0","post_visibility":"1","post_subject":"","post_text":"\u003Cblockquote\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E\u003Ccite\u003ElAmbdA hat geschrieben:\u003C\/cite\u003E\nAusschnitt eines Interview des ONM mit Mark Simmons (Game Director) und Sam Barlow (Lead Designer) von Climax (Entwickler von SH:SM):\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cblockquote class=\u0022uncited\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003EONM: Are Capcom and Sega within their rights to complain about the sales of mature games on Wii?\u003Cbr \/\u003ESam Barlow: Without badmouthing people, a lot of the games they\u0027ve been complaining about are rail shooters \u003Cstrong class=\u0022text-strong\u0022\u003Eand a rail shooter wouldn\u0027t have sold no matter what platform you put it on\u003C\/strong\u003E because it\u0027s a rail shooter and \u003Cstrong class=\u0022text-strong\u0022\u003Ethat\u0027s a niche genre\u003C\/strong\u003E that had its heyday back in the Dreamcast era.\u003Cbr \/\u003EUltimately the way we looked at it was that there\u0027s a huge audience who own Wiis, we own Wiis \u003Cstrong class=\u0022text-strong\u0022\u003Eand we know that amongst that audience there is a sub-sect\u003C\/strong\u003E who love dark stories, thrillers, mysteries and horror movies and so the development was all about removing the obstacles to those people enjoying this game. If they really enjoy a good horror story, they should enjoy this so we\u0027ve tried to create a product that has broad appeal but does something really good and unique.\n \u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/blockquote\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/blockquote\u003E\n\nSch\u00f6n, nachdem die meisten Wii Hater eine Gemeinde von dummen Schafen sind die logische Theorien von \u0022normalen\u0022 Leuten ignorieren und lieber auf ihre \u0022Anf\u00fchrer\u0022 h\u00f6ren, sollte das f\u00fcr etwas Ruhe sorgen \u003Cimg class=\u0022smilies\u0022 src=\u0022http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/images\/smilies\/icon_rolleyes.gif\u0022 width=\u002215\u0022 height=\u002215\u0022 alt=\u0022:roll:\u0022 title=\u0022Rolling Eyes\u0022\u003E \u003Cbr \/\u003EAber noch einmal, Railshooter sind eine nette Sache und machen Spa\u00df zu spielen, aber es ist ein Genre was man h\u00f6chstens alle paar Jahre mal wiederbeleben kann da es sich nunmal nicht weiterentwickeln wird... jegliche motzereien \u00fcber die Verkaufszahlen sind f\u00fcr diese Spiele also schlichtweg unsinn...\u003Cbr \/\u003EGenauso gef\u00e4llt mir in diesem Interview das er nicht die gesamte Userbase der Wii als Argument auspackt und selbst erkl\u00e4rt das auch Silent Hill f\u00fcr eine Untergruppe konzipiert wird... und auch nur f\u00fcr diese.\u003Cbr \/\u003EJemand der nicht die dummheit der Leute mit Marketinggew\u00e4sch ausnutzt sondern erkl\u00e4rt was Sache ist, ich bin richtig begeistert \u003Cimg class=\u0022smilies\u0022 src=\u0022http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/images\/smilies\/icon_lol.gif\u0022 width=\u002215\u0022 height=\u002215\u0022 alt=\u0022:lol:\u0022 title=\u0022Laughing\u0022\u003E","bbcode_bitfield":"wA==","bbcode_uid":"31vm7qps","enable_bbcode":"1","enable_smilies":"1","enable_magic_url":"1","post_attachment":"0","username":"Armoran","user_id":"1665284","user_avatar":"\/\/static.fore.4pcdn.de\/sourcen\/portal\/4players\/forum\/default-avatar_120x120.jpg","url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/viewtopic.php?f=61\u0026p=2166037#p2166037","quote_url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/posting.php?mode=quote\u0026f=61\u0026p=2166037"},{"post_id":"2165784","post_time":"1264582394","post_edit_time":"0","post_visibility":"1","post_subject":"","post_text":"Keine Sorge 4p. , ich aktualisier das schon. Eure Kapazit\u00e4ten sind sicherlich noch von ME2 ersch\u00f6pft:\u003Cbr \/\u003EAusschnitt eines Interview des ONM mit Mark Simmons (Game Director) und Sam Barlow (Lead Designer) von Climax (Entwickler von SH:SM):\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cblockquote class=\u0022uncited\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003EONM: Are Capcom and Sega within their rights to complain about the sales of mature games on Wii?\u003Cbr \/\u003ESam Barlow: Without badmouthing people, a lot of the games they\u0027ve been complaining about are rail shooters and a rail shooter wouldn\u0027t have sold no matter what platform you put it on because it\u0027s a rail shooter and that\u0027s a niche genre that had its heyday back in the Dreamcast era.\u003Cbr \/\u003EUltimately the way we looked at it was that there\u0027s a huge audience who own Wiis, we own Wiis and we know that amongst that audience there is a sub-sect who love dark stories, thrillers, mysteries and horror movies and so the development was all about removing the obstacles to those people enjoying this game. If they really enjoy a good horror story, they should enjoy this so we\u0027ve tried to create a product that has broad appeal but does something really good and unique.\u003Cbr \/\u003EONM: So would you say it\u0027s up to developers to make better games and stop moaning?\u003Cbr \/\u003ESam Barlow: To be honest making a game that sells on any platform is hard and there are countless examples of great games on huge budgets that haven\u0027t sold and games that have been runaway hits that no one saw coming and I think making a sweeping statement about the Wii is maybe a bit of a cop out.\u003Cbr \/\u003EONM: Are you thinking about sales when you\u0027re making a game?\u003Cbr \/\u003ESam Barlow: We\u0027re thinking \u0027is there a market for it?\u0027 To make any game that costs a million pounds to make, if you make it knowing that it\u0027s only going to appeal to a certain amount of hardcore strategy\/RPG fans in Denmark, you\u0027re basically stealing money. You\u0027re saying give us all these millions of pounds and we\u0027ll give you nothing.\u003Cbr \/\u003ESo at the start when you\u0027ve got your initial idea and direction you\u0027ve got to be thinking \u0027this is something that people will want...\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/blockquote\u003E","bbcode_bitfield":"kA==","bbcode_uid":"vryc576c","enable_bbcode":"1","enable_smilies":"1","enable_magic_url":"1","post_attachment":"0","username":"lAmbdA","user_id":"56002","user_avatar":"https:\/\/login.4players.de\/images\/58\/dd\/avatar56002.jpg","url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/viewtopic.php?f=61\u0026p=2165784#p2165784","quote_url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/posting.php?mode=quote\u0026f=61\u0026p=2165784"},{"post_id":"2165034","post_time":"1264539099","post_edit_time":"0","post_visibility":"1","post_subject":"","post_text":"\u003Cblockquote\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E\u003Ccite\u003ENorweger hat geschrieben:\u003C\/cite\u003EIch kann die Leute echt nicht verstehen. Ich habe die Wii und meinen Pc zum spielen und bin absolut zufrieden. Hier im Regal stehen alleine \u00fcber 40 Wii Spiele...\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/blockquote\u003EDu bist doch schon seit 2006 dabei...\u003Cbr \/\u003Each, ich hatte gehoft, das es irgendwann Sinn ergeben w\u00fcrde.","bbcode_bitfield":"gA==","bbcode_uid":"v2l27nuu","enable_bbcode":"1","enable_smilies":"1","enable_magic_url":"1","post_attachment":"0","username":"crewmate","user_id":"1483652","user_avatar":"https:\/\/login.4players.de\/images\/35\/cc\/avatar1483652.jpg","url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/viewtopic.php?f=61\u0026p=2165034#p2165034","quote_url":"http:\/\/forum.4pforen.4players.de\/posting.php?mode=quote\u0026f=61\u0026p=2165034"}]}